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Vol 16  Issue 829      Circulation 5,000       December 13, 2012

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Oklahoma History Revisited by Larry Guthrie, Sulphur

Q.  Which plains Indian tribe was likely the deadliest for the white man?

A.  Kiowa. After the Kiowa moved south from the junction of the Jefferson, Madison and Gallatin forks, at the extreme head of the Missouri river they first fought and then made peace with the Comanche. In connection with the Comanche they carried on a constant war upon the frontier settlements of Mexico and Texas, extending their incursions as far south as Durango, Mexico. Among all the prairie tribes they were noted as the most predatory and blood thirsty, and have probably killed more white men in proportion to their number than any of the others.

They made their first treaty with the Government in 1837, and were put on their reservation jointly with the Comanche and Kiowa Apache in 1868. Their last out break was in 1874-75 with the Comanche, Kiowa Apache and Cheyenne. They were never very numerous and have been greatly reduced by war and disease. The Kiowa do not have the gentile system, and there is no restriction to intermarriage among the divisions, of which they have six. These tribal divisions in the order of the camp circle, from the entrance at the east southward:

Semat (Apache)

Q. Which of the frontier forts was the first in Oklahoma?

A. (answer in next week's T&T)

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Some mail from this week's MAILBAG.....

"Butch, This is in response to the following post made by one of your readers. Three of my girlfriends and I went camping in a cabin just a few miles north of this building. We stopped and took pictures on 12/1/12. I would also like to know what this building used to be."  -Susan



A. "Prior to Dolese having a rock crusher south of Dougherty, Oklahoma in the 1920's and 30's, during the height of the depression, several of the locals created a rock quarry on some of my family's land just a block over from my home. They blasted the rock with dynamite, and then gathered the rock up with an old cable shovel (steam shovel) and then loaded it onto flat bed trucks and ferried it to the tracks. Not very productive, but, they made enough money to keep going. The concrete building that is in the photo started out as an asphaltum plant. Asphaltum is abundant here. There is another plant just like it on the road to the spillway at the lake. Once the asphaltum played out, then they installed some homemade rock breaking equipment and began making gravel. That is what I have been told, but I do not know how accurate the story is. I was born in 1946, and the supposed tale taking place in the Great Depression? Well, I was not even born yet. LOL I do know for a fact that the building on the spillway road was an asphaltum rendering plant. There are tailing across the road of the unprocessed ashpaltum still standing there. Hope this helps." -tuklo













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